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Lampard and Terry included in England B team

August 8, 2010

Bobby Zamora takes a break from pretending he's a footballer

Fabio Capello decided to tackle a couple of bottles of wine whilst naming his latest England B team squad to face Hungary next week. The inclusions of Ben Foster, whose career highlight is being Edwin van der Sar’s number two for several years, Paul Robinson, who subsequently retired from international football having got the call-up, Bobby Zamora, England’s answer to Nicklas Bendtner, and those two world-class Chelsea legends Frank Lampard and John Terry, has got England fans drooling at the prospect of watching our beloved national team battle it out against that footballing superpower, Hungary, 3 days before the Premier League season kicks off. Oh, what joy!

What Fabio Capello has done is everything the nation wanted him to do, but with the wrong players. We wanted him to drop the drivel and engage with the exciting young talents that England has at its disposal. Having had a good rummage around, Capello felt that Gary Cahill, Phil Jagielka and Kieran Gibbs were the answer. He also felt that the performances of Gareth Barry, Wayne Rooney, Lamps and JT merited a recall. I couldn’t agree more Fab. Afterall, we did reach the 2ND ROUND of the World Cup! Moreover, the exclusion of Joe Cole has got me thinking; What was going through the mind of Fabio Capello when he chose this latest crop of ‘stars’?

Way back at the start of the Italian’s reign as England manager, he stated that he would only be picking players based on form and game-time. To my knowledge he hasn’t verbally abandoned that strategy, but you do wonder whether he’s had a change of heart and resorted to choosing proverbial benchwarmers and mediocre performers. Wes Brown? Phil Jagielka? Darren Bent? Carlton Cole? Oh, and not to mention there’s a recall for Theo Walcott, who has clearly impressed Fabio more whilst lying on a beach in a beautiful European/South American country, than he did when ‘trialling’ and convincing everybody else in the world that he should be on the plane to South Africa.

I go back to Joe Cole’s emission from the 22-man squad. The only plausible motive for Capello to drop Cole is due to a falling out. If that’s the case, why the bleeding heck are John Terry and Frank Lampard still given reason to call themselves ‘world-class’ players? Terry couldn’t resist spouting his mouth off in South Africa, an incident that everybody thought would lead to his dropping post-World Cup. Lampard himself thought it’d be a great idea to criticise the timing of the match against the side ranked 62nd in the world. I read the response to his comments in the Daily Telegraph recently, and one fan got it spot on; “You need all the practice you can get you overpaid prat”. It’s what we’re all thinking, apart from the man that matters unfortunately. Lampard and Terry shouldn’t be anywhere near the England team.

Jermain Defoe is another player who has bizarrely been left out in the cold. What on earth did he do wrong in SA? He scored the goal that saved us from ultimate humiliation at the hands of Slovenia. Well, the other side of the argument is he scored the goal that dropped us right into the s*** against Germany, and perhaps that’s why Capello showed him the door. Surely there’s no other reason for doing such a thing? Defoe is a proven goalscorer, and he was one of 3 players in SA that wore the shirt with pride and looked like making things happen. Joe Cole was another, and James Milner makes up the trio. With Defoe and Cole dropped, Milner is the only outfield player in that squad, arguably along with Ashley Cole, who deserves the call. Everyone knows Wayne Rooney was abysmal so why is he still there? Gerrard was below-par, Glen Johnson looked a complete shadow of the player that earned him so much praise in his early days as an England player, and Gareth Barry is another prime example of an overpaid wotsit who has more of a place on the scrapheap than he does in an England team. Looking back, it was embarrassing how people were praying Gareth Barry would be fit and ready for the opening game of the World Cup against U.S.A. If we can’t do without Gareth Barry, what hope have we got?

There aren’t many in this current squad that I can say, yes, that’s a good call Fabio. Joe Hart is a superb goalkeeper and he was always a stick-on. I still don’t have a clue why he didn’t get a shout this summer, but that’s another strange Capello decision. He’s definitely in line to nail down the no.1 jersey now that David James and Robert Green are out the picture. Ashley Cole has done no wrong, as much as I severely dislike the bloke. Michael Dawson is a decent player who will give his all. It’s also nice to see Ashley Young getting another chance, although I’m still not convinced that he’s of an international standard. Time will tell there. Finally, Arsenal’s exciting prodigy Jack Wilshere has an opportunity to put his name on the footballing map and display his talents to the world. He looks a wonderful prospect for England. Lets hope he’s not half Welsh, ain’t that right Giggsy?

Finally, I’d like to wish good luck to all those hearty souls who have bought an overpriced ticket to watch an overpriced team play on the once hallowed turf of Wembley. I admire you for your committment. I certainly wouldn’t waste my wages on watching England B struggle to overcome the Hungarians. I think… No, I know I’d get more for my money spending an afternoon on the touchline at Ludlow Town FC.

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  1. aston permalink
    August 8, 2010 1:33 pm

    Lampard is by far our best midfielder so dont be And yust because he criticise the timing of the match he should be droped? There arent any better younger midfielders and you know it all.

    • maserati4200 permalink
      August 8, 2010 3:10 pm

      Fat Frank is not an international midfielder – he’s an OK EPL player.

      In a World Cup which was generally viewed as poor, he didn’t make any impact whatsoever. At least Gerrard, Milner and Barry made an effort. Lampard just jogged about in midfield and gave the ball away time and time again. Take the blue tinted specs off.

      • dave permalink
        August 8, 2010 5:32 pm

        an okay premier league player doesnt score twenty goals from midfield and top (or come close to topping) the assists chart every year.

      • maserati4200 permalink
        August 9, 2010 9:06 am

        My point is that Lampard is not an international class midfield player. It doesn’t matter a stuff what he does in the EPL – we’re talking about international football in this thread. He just cannot deliver when he plays for England.

      • Stephanie permalink
        August 10, 2010 4:55 pm

        Lampard IS the best midfielder in EPL and one of the best in the world. Anyone who thinks he’s not is blind. Not Frank but Gerrard ” jogged about in midfield and gave the ball away time and time again”. I don’t know what you were watching. Ok, he did a few mistakes but Gerrard wasn’t better. He lost the ball everytime and was just thinking about himself. He was a selfish a*****. You must have been confused about the shirt numbers or you’re just an idiot.

      • maserati4200 permalink
        August 11, 2010 9:22 am

        I never ceases to amaze me that certain people are incapable of having a debate without become abusive. If you disagree with me fine, but using verbal abuse is just pathetic.

        Lampard was dreadful if the WC – just replay any of the matches and you will see countless missed passes, giving the ball away and next nothing creatively. He wouldn’t get in any World XI A or B squads. He is not world-class. He was also abysmal in the Community Shield, almost anonymous.

        I’m an ex-professional footballer by the way and know what I’m talking about.

      • maserati4200 permalink
        August 11, 2010 5:16 pm

        Before you ask…

        Early 70’s – Division 1 club – EPL in old money

      • Sandman permalink
        September 20, 2010 8:29 am

        Just playing professional football does not make you a expert on football as a whole now does it? I am not saying that I am an expert in football but I do know that Lampard hits 20 goals season in season out and as a England manager if you know that you build teams around guys like these and not just assemble media darlings and fans favorites to play.

        The problem in world cup was that Capello used 3 mid fielders in Barry, Gerrard and Lampard all wrong. If he ad gone with the 4-3-2-1 formation with lampard and Gerrard playing upfront just behind Rooney or Defoe, the story would be completely different.

        Barry would be the holding midfielder and with and lennon completing the midfield. Ashley Cole would provide the attack from the left flank along with milner and Johnson would provide the attack from the right flank with Lennon on the right. Last but not the least Terry and Jamie carragher would complete the central defense and david james as keeper.

        I think that this team would be a world beater.

  2. Gladys permalink
    August 8, 2010 1:40 pm

    While I xan see where you are coming from. I also cannot understand how that odious egotist Terry is still involved in the national team. But I cannot agree with your analysis of Milner’s performance. He was useless! And if he goes to City while Steven Ireland goes the other way to Villa, then Villa will be getting a load of cash and a better midfielder, bu some distance too.

    I think the fat that Fabio has called up Gibbs is a positive step. Cashley Cole is a quality defender (shocking human being) it will be good to have another option at left back and in Gibbs, England could have a fantastic new full back. Good luck to him and the other new boys.

  3. tevmar92 permalink
    August 8, 2010 2:25 pm

    you havent named anyone you think should have been in the squad that wasn’t at the world cup.

  4. feygooner permalink
    August 8, 2010 2:35 pm

    Your post is why a great answer to the question that people (or at least Englishmen) continuously ask; Why do England do so badly at the WC? It’s not because you have shit players, it’s because you have shit mentalities. Completely knee-jerk reactions. Just take a look at your post.

    “Everyone knows Wayne Rooney was abysmal so why is he still there? ” I hate the guy, but 1 bad mini-tournament and he shouldn’t play for England again?

    Without question the worst blog post on any topic that I have ever seen.

    • maserati4200 permalink
      August 8, 2010 3:23 pm

      Rooney should be rested. We know what he can do. We don’t need a friendly against Hungary to remind us.

      He carried the Man Utd attack last season. He then went into the WC physically and mentally unfit, with the expectations of England fans for him to win the WC for us. He failed to deliver – understandable in the circumstances.

      I’m not a Man Utd fan, nor am I particularly fond of Rooney as an individual, but if England are to get the best out of him we have to ensure his fitness for purpose and also play a system that exploits his talent. If Fabio can’t acheive that, then maybe we should look elsewhere for a manager.

      • Sandman permalink
        September 20, 2010 8:10 am

        If Rooney was unfit physically and mentally then he should have dropped out of the World Cup himself. Why did he play if he was unfit. please don’t tell me it was for England and the fans. If he truly cared about England then he would put England first and not himself.

      • George permalink
        September 20, 2010 1:59 pm

        So you’re telling me Sandman that if you were a pro footballer, you had a little niggling injury, but you were called up to the World Cup, you’d say ‘no, sorry, I’m not 100% fit, I don’t want to play’? Do me a favour. This is the WORLD CUP man – it’s every young boy’s dream, every footballer’s dream to play in this amazing tournament.

        “If he truly cared about England then he would put England first and not himself.” Lets not forget he was our big hope. He was the player expected to win us the World Cup. It’s irrelevant whether you think he ‘cared’ or not. I’m afraid that’s a very ignorant comment coming from someone who clearly doesn’t understand the game of football.

      • Sandman permalink
        September 20, 2010 4:16 pm

        So him playing with that injury did not help the cause of England’s World Cup now did it? Others who were fit enough were not given a chance because of this.

        See mate you say that its every kids dream to play the world cup and its true but you did not see Ballack, Beckham, Essien or any other play did you. They knew they could not offer 100% to the team with that injury and so they backed down from the cup.

        Now I am sure you will say a lot of other things to justify your opinion and thats OK. But please think from footballing point of view, if Defoe had played instead the outcome might have been different or not but that’s not the point here. The point here is we never found out and Defoe is not at all a bad player. Probably if he Rooney would have rested for the group matches then he might have come good against German again a thing we’ll never know.

        I just want to put this point across – If a player knows that he is not fit and cannot give a 100% to either his club or country, its always better to sit out until he is fit enough both mentally and physically. If not he is hurting both his career and his country’s ambitions.

      • George permalink
        September 21, 2010 12:46 pm

        No it didn’t, but he also had on his conscience his affair with a prostitute, which he knew would come out after the World Cup. Nevertheless, can you imagine what people would have said if he’d have pulled out citing a slight niggle as his reason? He was our big hope and EVERYBODY expected him to put on a show. If he’d have pulled out he would have been slaughtered in the press for ‘bottling’ it and he wouldn’t have been England’s ‘hero’ anymore. Even after all his personal issues, people still rely on him to carry the side forward. You can’t possibly say that he should have pulled out because he had a slight niggle. Didier Drogba broke his arm in the warm up matches, and wasn’t anywhere near 100% fit when he took to the field. Should he have pulled out? Would Cote d’Ivoire have qualified if Drogba hadn’t have played?

        Michael Ballack nearly had his ankle broken by K-P Boateng, and David Beckham had a snapped achilles tendon. They could hardly walk, so that isn’t a case of being only 90% fit and being touch-and-go right up to the tournament. They were both on crutches prior to the World Cup. As for Michael Essien, he’d missed almost the entirety of the season for Chelsea with a bad knee injury I believe, and he’d had no match practice. If memory serves me right, he picked up another significant injury just before the WC which is why he couldn’t play. Again, it wasn’t a case of ‘oh I have a slight niggle so I’ll pull out as I won’t be at my best for my team’. They didn’t ‘back down’. They could hardly walk!

        Excuse me pal, but Defoe did play… He’s the reason we got to the quarter finals, remember? Yes, he didn’t start against USA because no one knew that Rooney was going to be so bad. And even so, the performance against USA wasn’t awful. Therefore, he didn’t start against Algeria either, as there was no reason for him to. If Capello had dropped Rooney to the bench for the first game, what an earth would people have said? You’re thinking is very naive I’m afraid. This is football at World Cup level we’re talking about, not 10-year olds down the park.

        The facts are; Rooney was our best player and biggest hope – he failed. He wasn’t 100% but he still wanted to be our hero. If Capello or Rooney himself had pulled him out, they would have been slaughtered. Naive, naive, naive!

  5. George permalink
    August 8, 2010 2:49 pm

    @Aston – are you a Chelsea fan by any chance? Lampard our best midfielder? You must be on something to say that. He is possibly one of the worst midfielders we’ve had in 20 years.

    @Gladys – I actually thought James Milner was impressive. He was far better than Aaron Lennon or Shaun Wright-Phillips, his cross for Defoe’s goal against Slovenia was exquisit, and he repeated that on a number of occasions without anyone getting on the end of it. He was one of our better players if you ask me, but that’s a matter of opinion.

    @tevmar92 – I mentioned Walcott should have been in the squad for the World Cup, and I also think Adam Johnson should have been.

    @feygooner – The fact you have referred to the World Cup as a ‘mini-tournament’ says everything I need to know about you. I never said he shouldn’t play for England ever again – I was questioning why he should be given another chance and players like Joe Cole and Jermain Defoe haven’t. Strange, don’t you think? It’s another great example of players being picked on reputation, something Fab said he would not do.

  6. mark permalink
    August 8, 2010 2:56 pm

    your a cunt

    • maserati4200 permalink
      August 8, 2010 3:02 pm

      @mark – rubbish punctuation mate. It should be “You’re a cunt”. You’re obviously thick.

      By the way, you’re also a complete and utter fuck-wit. Fuck off to where all the other pond life dwell. You will feel much more at home there.

  7. George permalink
    August 8, 2010 2:58 pm

    @Mark – Evidently, you have displayed yourself to be exactly that. Please don’t comment if you have nothing intelligent to say.

  8. maserati4200 permalink
    August 8, 2010 2:59 pm

    1. Rooney should be rested – he’s not right physically or mentally.
    2. Terry should be dropped for; a) being an arsehole and; b) playing shite in the WC
    3. Lampard should be dropped for; a) mouthing off about the fixture and; b) playing shite in the WC
    4. Hart should be No. 1 – Fabio should tell him now
    5. Milner should play in central midfield in place of Lampard
    6. Bent, Zamora and C Cole are pub players
    7. What have Defoe and J Cole done to piss Fabio off?
    8. Where is Agbonlohor?
    9. Where is Jack Rodwell
    10. Where is the imagination?

  9. Gladys permalink
    August 8, 2010 3:09 pm

    @George; Perhaps I am being harsh on Milner, then again it wouldn’t have taken much for a player to stand out from the rest of the team given how crap they all were! I just think that Milner is a very average player, limited and certainly no where near world class. If he is the future for England, then we arte in trouble!

  10. George permalink
    August 8, 2010 3:12 pm

    Well, you make a good point. Like you say, I’m sure you and I wouldn’t have had much trouble from standing out from the rest. I think the price tag Aston Villa have put on Milner is ludicrous, but that’s the result of Manchester City throwing money at everyone – every player becomes £10mill more expensive. I think he is a decent player, and maybe you’re right – if England had played to expectations and performed to the best of their ability, Milner may have looked very average. Perhaps we should let time do its thing.

  11. dave permalink
    August 8, 2010 5:25 pm

    Clearly written by a liverpool fan… unwilling to be critical of the awful gerrard, johnson and carragher… wants the completely ineffective joe cole to play… and loves the chance to criticize Rooney, Lampard and JT! The use of ‘arm chair’ in the website title completely reflects the nature of the football fans who write on this, as well as the extent of their knowledge.

  12. George permalink
    August 8, 2010 6:13 pm

    Yep, Carragher was very poor indeed, and the reason I didn’t include him in the post was because it is obvious he won’t be included again. I didn’t mention Heskey either – he’s retired. Nor did I mention Upson. He was woeful too but once again, he won’t get another chance now. In fact, if you read the article properly, you will see I DID criticise Gerrard and Johnson;

    “Gerrard was below-par, Glen Johnson looked a complete shadow of the player that earned him so much praise in his early days as an England player”.

    I disagree that Gerrard was ‘awful’. I don’t think he was good at all, but ‘awful’ is putting him in the same bracket as Rooney and Lampard, and I don’t believe that’s the case. I also can’t understand why people are so adamant that Lampard is worthy of playing for England. Open your eyes for goodness sake. Congratulations, he scores 20 goals a season for Chelsea. Gerrard scores 15 a season for Liverpool and tops the assists chart for them but I don’t see you defending him.

  13. Gladys permalink
    August 8, 2010 7:39 pm

    Lampard is a quality player but has never really done it for England. Why that is I have no idea? The same could be said about Gerrard too, although he was excellent in the WC game vs USA.

    I would stick with both of them but Capello like other managers before him seems hell bent on playing them together, which patently does not work!

    As for terry, I would drop him now, he is a vile selfish ignorant git and doesnt get the priveleges and free hand he does from premier League refs in International games.

  14. itsup4grabsnow permalink
    August 9, 2010 1:14 am

    I think the main problem is the formation we are playing and or, players playing out of position. On the international scene as well as the top clubs are abandoning 4-4-2 and going with a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 or a varient of them at least. My team to play/qualify for Euro 2012 would be this, playing an Asymetrical 4-2-3-1






    Foster(GK) Green (GK) Richards, Terry, Cahill,Gibbs, J.Cole, Carrick, Rodwell, Walcott, Defoe, Crouch

    It’s an Asymetrical 4-2-3-1, probably more of a 4-1-1-3-1, with Milner playing just ahead of Barry( who will be told NOT to more than 10 yards ahead of the defense at all times!) in the ‘Schweinsteiger’ role. The central defensive partnerin…g is probs the most controversial part of the squad, but King and Ferdinand are too old and/or injury prone, Carragher is too old, Upson is shite and Terry hasn’t exactly covered himself in glory either. Dawson and Jagielka are clearly the next best choices. Then we have 3 attacking midfielders, Wilshere will NOT be stuck out on the right wing he will play centrally alongside Gerrard, with A Johnson in a more winger type rolem and then Gerrard will play just off Rooney. The two full backs will be the ones providing the width for the team. So there is a good mixture of some experience and some new raw talent. I also think the bench is pretty god damn impressive. Thoughts?

    • maserati4200 permalink
      August 9, 2010 9:23 am

      Yesterday’s Community Shield proved yet again that Terry is a busted flush. He was dire. He’s a waste of an Endgland shirt. Lampard was also abysmal. The two of them should be put out to pasture as far as England is concerned.

  15. George permalink
    August 12, 2010 6:37 am

    Has someone brainwashed ALL Chelsea fans, not to mention Frank himself, that he’s a really good footballer? Ironic that England scored both their goals and won the game whilst Lampard was off the field. Oh, and look who scored them both!

    • maserati4200 permalink
      August 12, 2010 8:53 am

      Was Lampard playing last night?

  16. thefullenglish permalink
    August 12, 2010 4:55 pm

    The silence from the Chelsea Chavs is deafening

    My ratings from last night…

    Terry – great pub player impression
    Lampard – nice jogging pose
    Cole – find a space, stand in it and admire the wonderful stadium

  17. August 13, 2010 5:00 pm

    Lampard as an individual player is good enough, but in tandem with Gerrard, they can’t string a pass together for England. Just because they are 2 good players, it doesn’t mean they’ll click as a team. Just ask the Galacticos and the answer is quite clear.

    Having said that, Lampard isn’t getting any younger and should be dropped for younger players like Milner. Because by Euro 2012, you can be sure he is unlikely to be contributing 20 goals for Chelsea.

    The problem with England is that I always suspect there are player powers playing a role, with the mainstays such as Gerrard, the aforementioned Lampard, JT, and former no.1 David James playing a part in it.

  18. August 16, 2010 4:28 pm

    I hate douches that pose for pictures with a pit bull!!! “Hey I’m tough! Don’t mess with me cuz I have a crazy ass dog! I’m hip hop! I’m big pimpin and spending G’s! Today I didn’t have to use my A-K….I have to say that today was a good day!” WHAT A DOUCHE!!

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